Talk:Antisemitism

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Antisemitism on the Internet section

I edited this page recently so this latest edit [1] showed on my watchlist. Although I am not wholly familiar with the intended scope of the page, it seems to me that the addition of a new section about Antisemitism on the Internet has a couple of problems.

  1. It appears to be coatracking for the only information thus far added, which is about cases of antisemitism on Wikipedia. This matter is covered in Criticism of Wikipedia (and the edit even recognises that by linking to it with a "see" template). That is a more targeted article. It is surely a sidetrack for this article to focus on specific cases on a specific website.
  2. This page is already too large per WP:SIZERULE and the potential for this section to explode is significant. If we are to allow examples of antisemitism on Internet sites, then surely we would need to talk about antisemitism on Twitter, and on Facebook, and on Instagram and Tik Tok and Youtube. Perhaps Second Life and other social spaces too. Not to mention USENET news and mailing lists, private sites, discord, IRC... The only reason we would stick just to Wikipedia is because this is Wikipedia... a subject for which every single one of us has a conflict of interest.

I am thus going to revert this section out. Any discussion of antisemitism on the Internet would have to be written in summary style on this page, and would need to focus on the effect on digital spaces as a whole. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

state178448?

@Bobfrombrockley: in this edit you added a reference called "state178448", are you able to provide the full reference for it? -- Cdjp1 (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that. It looks like I took material from Three Ds of antisemitism which I should have noted in edit summary. The full reference is as follows.
  • Rosenthal, Hannah (Dec 5, 2011). "Remarks at the 2011 B'nai B'rith International Policy Conference". US Department of State. Archived from the original on December 2, 2012. Our State Department uses Natan Sharansky's "Three Ds" test for identifying when someone or a government crosses the line from criticizing Israeli policies into antisemitism: when Israel is demonized, when Israel is held to different standards than the rest of the countries, and when Israel is delegitimized.
However, this seems to me to not add anything to the three citations in the following footnote, so I will delete the reference.
Same issue in Working definition of antisemitism where I will delete it and add the better one used here. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ByVarying Did you delete over a dozen links from the See also section? Please explain why. I'd rather not add them back manually, but they are important.[2] Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Allthemilescombined1, I did. Read MOS:SEEALSO in particular MOS:NOTSEEALSO. Each of my edit summaries explains the reason for the removals in that edit. In the diff you supply, I removed links that are already in the Antisemitism sidebar template. The See also section prior to my edits was far too long relative to any standard of such sections. ByVarying | talk 02:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I should say it's still too long, but the remaining links aren't removable for immediate reasons like the ones I removed were. Many of them would best be superseded by coverage in the article — I'm thinking e.g. of Holocaust inversion, which would go in a substantial section about Holocaust denial etc., but for some reason there is almost nothing in this article about Holocaust denial specifically, with the relevant subsection only two sentences long. edit: I've now added the beginnings of a section about Holocaust denial, with a paragraph about Holocaust trivilization/inversion. ByVarying | talk 02:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]