Talk:Lion

The following section contains incorrect information (bold): The tail of all lions ends in a dark, hairy tuft that, in some lions, conceals an approximately 5 mm (0.20 in)-long, hard "spine" or "spur" that is formed from the final, fused sections of tail bone. The functions of the spur are unknown. The tuft is absent at birth and develops at around 5+1⁄2 months of age. It is readily identifiable at the age of seven months.

I was unable to find any corroborating information from anywhere that wasn't a direct or near-direct quote of this line and none that had cited sources other than this page. I am uncertain where the original writer of this line in the article found the information as it is not present in the source cited.

Suggested change: ...conceals an approximately 5mm (0.20 in) hardened "spine" or "spur" composed of a type of skin cell called a dermal papilla cell. The exact purpose of of the tail spur is unknown. The tuft...

I found a viable source that describes what the tail spur is made of on a microscopic level. It's old (1873) but sufficiently detailed as to be considered scientifically accurate.

Larksongart (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done! ZionniThePeruser (talk) 00:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although very few in number, there are good records of group attacks by lions on rhinos of both African species.

Pienaar (1970) reports finding a large adult white rhino bull so badly mauled by lions that it had to be destroyed.

Radloff & Du Toit (2004) reported that a pride of lions hunted a sick adult white rhino bull weighing 1539 kg, during the time of study (1988–2000).

Brain (1999) reports that 3 nomadic adult male lion hunts 3 sub-adults black rhino on June 8, July 1 and September 17 of 1995.

They were looking for a rhino going to a waterhole, then one of the lions approached from the side and when the rhino was to face it, the other 2 lions captured it from behind, whereupon the lion in front quicky approached to rhino from the front.

All rhinos had puncture wounds around the ventral neck area and took ~40 minutes to die.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47296339_The_recolonisation_history_of_the_Square-lipped_White_Rhinoceros_Ceratotherium_Simum_Burchell_in_the_Kruger_National_Park_October_1961_-_November_1969

https://doi.org/10.1111/j.0021-8790.2004.00817.x

https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1365-2028.1999.00137.x

http://www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/pdf_files/117/1175858056.pdf

LeandroPucha (talk) 03:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LittleJerry

I don't known what you mean by "too technical"?

But it is as was written, because that is what can be understood from the paper.

Felids, particularly Acinonyx and Panthera genus, have enlarged Betz cells (Gigantopyramidal motoneurons) and it would be an adaptation for locomotion, allowing the presence of the powerful type IIx muscle fibers, which although run out of energy faster, generate more power.

I don't known if this other paper is better for you.

https://www.coloradocollege.edu/academics/dept/neuroscience/documents/Nguyen%20et%20al.%202019a-compressed.pdf

https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fcne.24823

LeandroPucha (talk) 03:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with LittleJerry on this. What you are proposing doesn't seem to benefit the article, at least in my eyes. Also, the text you added is far too technical and will be of little value to the majority of readers of this page. We at Wikipedia try to make our articles as readable as possible, so I urge you to please take that into account next time you propose changes to other articles. Thanks, Wolverine X-eye ^{(talk to me)} 05:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-adult and adult male lions have been found to have prominent pores (+1 mm) along the entire surface of upper jaw bone and adjacent areas.

Although sub-adult females have them (To a lesser extention), adult females do not.

Adult male lions are the only adults in the Order Carnivora to have this feature.

This feature may be related to rapid craniofacial development in males, as they grow from sub-adults (3–4 yrs.) to adults +5 yrs.), in order to compete with adult males, hunt prey when they become nomadic, or allow for more developed facial muscles and thus allow expressiveness for communication (Coughing, growling, snarling, huffing or roaring).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271390344_Sex_determination_in_lions_Panthera_leo_Felidae_A_novel_method_of_distinguishing_male_and_female_skulls

https://doi.org/10.1515/mammalia-2012-0504

LeandroPucha (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The average bite forces on carnassials in the groups studied were as follows: Among the cat family, tigers (4172.26 N) and lions (4566.87 N) have the strongest bite forces.

Source https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/14/9/1367 Simon Jhon (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lion carnassial bite force corrected The average bite forces on carnassials in the groups studied were as follows: Among the cat family, tigers (4172.26 N) and lions (4566.87 N) have the strongest bite forces. Source: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/14/9/1367 Simon Jhon (talk) 03:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lion carnassial bite force- The average bite forces on carnassials in the groups studied were as follows: Among the cat family, tigers (4172.26 N) and lions (4566.87 N) have the strongest bite forces. Source- https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/14/9/1367 Smithmcde (talk) 06:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Additionally, do not use multiple accounts to edit wikipedia, see our policy on usage of multiple accounts for more information. Shadow311 (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that the old image was better than the new one, so I'm proposing that that change gets reverted. Any thoughts? Ive inserted it below. @LittleJerry Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 06:15, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]