User talk:Kevmin

I am working on an article about the researcher Jill Yager at User:SL93/sandbox. She discovered the class Remipedia by finding living specimens in 1979 and described it in 1981, but another source I found adds on that the crustaceans were initially thought to have been extinct for 150 million years. I'm not sure how that is possible. SL93 (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SL93 The Barlas source is (likely) commenting on the Enantiopodans, both of which had been described before the living species were discovered in 1979. Where Barlas got the specific age of 150 million I'm not sure, but given that he's a travel guide writer and not a paleontologist, I'm not surprised at "insert random number here" fact generation. Suffice to say the group (while not yet named) was known from Paleozoic species before the living species and order description. Brooks, 1955 was fully mystified by his †Tesnusocaris fossil and only went as far as assigning the new genus to Cephalocarida incertae sedis Schram 1974 grouped †Cryptocaris as family incertae sedis in oder Tanaidacea, suborder "Monokonophora", with no mention of †Tesnusocaris. It wasn't until ?1991? if Im reading PBDB right and its taxonomic coverage is complete, that both were identified as Remipedians and grouped in accordingly. I hope this helps a little.--Kevmin § 05:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That helps. Thank you. SL93 (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi kevmin, there is a species called "Macrones vittalus" listed in the List of fishes of Bangladesh, now the problem is I can't find anything about it on the Internet, from what i could gather "macrones" is a synonym for the genus Sperata but no such species is listed and the remaining species don’t have this synonym, which is what I assumed it is. Could you help me sort this out? Codonified (talk) 22:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning Codonified, Taking a quick look at WoRMS, I found [1] and note that our issue is likely due to a misspelling. WoRMS has an entry for Macrones vittaTus (Bloch, 1794), currently accepted as Mystus vittatus. At some point the entry in the List of fishes of Bangladesh was misspelled with an L instead of the second T. Hope this helps--Kevmin § 16:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thanks bro :D

Good afternoon as well!! Codonified (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kevmin again, In the Carangiformes article, I have updated the classification(I.E added the taxonomy from Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes Classification), what i did was basically copy paste the Carangiformes section of eschmeyer's catalog in there. The problem is that they state a different taxonomist in many of the families and subfamilies different to that of what Wikipedia states as the taxon author. For example, in the modern classification section of Carangiformes, family Toxotidae has Bleeker as its author as shown in Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes Classification. But Wikipedia states in the Toxotidae article that Cuvier is the taxon author. Could you please explain what happening?

Reference : https://www.calacademy.org/scientists/catalog-of-fishes-classification/

Codonified (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When in doubt, a good rule of thumb is to be suspicious of info in a wiki article that doesn't have a source. WoRMS Toxotidae entry confirms Bleeker as the author for the family and has Cloquet, 1816 for Toxotes, so the genus authority has been wrong since it was entered in 2006. Eschmeyer's with a double check at WoRMS is the best bet for any of the articles where the listed authority differs from the Catalogue.--Kevmin § 17:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again kevmin, btw what does "Cloquet" mean in your 2nd sentence? Codonified (talk) 17:52, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, and sentence two was referring to Toxotes being described and named by Hippolyte Cloquet in 1816.--Kevmin § 17:56, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thanks again kevmin,

This are the articles where the author is "wrong" i believe

Family Psettodidae(Spiny turbot)

Family Citharidae(largescale flounders)

Family Paralichthyidae(Large-tooth flounders or sand flounders)

Family Pleuronectidae

Family Toxotidae(Archerfish)

Family Xiphiidae(Swordfish)

Subfamily Scomberoidinae Codonified (talk) 21:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

should I change the names to those who are actually credited as the real author? Codonified (talk) 21:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If both Eschmeyer's and WoRMS are in agreement, and there's no discussion of author credit controversy in any of the articles there, yes, changing to the credited authors is the next step (with a citation to Eschmeyer's or WoRMS).--Kevmin § 14:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay i will be doing that bro.

Thank you for helping🤠 Codonified (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also again in the Archerfish taxonomy again, the type species is Labrus jaculator

Shaw, 1803 but I cant find anything on it, could you help? Codonified (talk) 06:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why @Quetzal1964: added Labrus jaculator Shaw, 1803 in April 2020, Worms lists the basionym as Sciaena jaculatrix Pallas, 1767.--Kevmin § 18:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevmin I can't remember but it looks as if I mixed up Toxotes Cuvier, 1816 with Toxotes Cloquet 1816. The former has Labrus jaculator of Shaw 1803 as its type species. BTW Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes bases its family name authors for extant fish on Van der Laan, Eschmeyer and Fricke (2018) Family-group names of Recent fishes http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.3882.1.1 Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:27, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi kevmin, I'm deeply sorry for bothering you again, but in List of fishes of Bangladesh, 2 more species are not identifiable, they are Callichrus pabda and Chatoessus manminna. This time I have no clue as there is no hint about them on the internet, Please help. Codonified (talk) 23:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per worms and a little googling, Chatoessus manminna is a misspelling, and should have been Chatoessus manmina. In turn C. manmina is a jr synonym of Gonialosa manmina (Hamilton, 1822).

Likewise, Callichrus pabda should have been Callichrous pabda, and it in turn is a jr synonym of Ompok pabda (Hamilton, 1822).--Kevmin § 18:24, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, Because of you I was able to improve the List of fishes of Bangladesh Codonified (talk) 21:23, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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