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Al-Aidarous gate

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG, and its coverage is also questionable. Merging it into Abu Bakr al-Aydarus wouldn't be any better if it lacks notability in the first place. In any case, it doesn't need its own standalone article. – Garuda ^Talk! 12:10, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Yemen. – Garuda ^Talk! 12:10, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can I know which GNG criteria does it not pass? This monument the main gate of al-Shihr and I dont see what is not notable about it. And why would it get merged to Abu Bakr al-Aydarus? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 13:00, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly notable. If it was in a western country it would obviously meet WP:GEOFEAT as a listed building. The fact it isn't is no reason to delete an article on a clearly historical structure. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would like to disagree with Necrothesp, I don't see how this is clearly notable. I found nothing in the news, books, or scholar. Besides, the only two cited news articles don't provide enough coverage. So, I would lean toward delete. Koshuri ^(グ) 14:41, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources on it exist in Arabic. You can copy the arabic name and search for it in google and then translate the page using google translate's website translator 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:06, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but a lot of those sources are ones where the name appears in passing. This is true both of an Arabic-language search in Google Books and Google News - for example the story about the young man who hanged himself in the Al Akhaween Hotel in the Sidat Al-Aidrous area in Hadhramaut Governorate.^[1]-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How can an historic fortification possibly not be notable by any definition of WP:COMMONSENSE? -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How? That's exactly what I explained through my WP:BEFORE in my previous comment. Given that there are few to no English outlets even mentioning such sites (and, as Toddy further pointed out, only passing mentions in Arabic outlets), I don't see how the judgment of 'clearly notable' fits here. I'm still inclined toward deletion. Koshuri ^(グ) 14:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I cited WP:COMMONSENSE rather than dogma! In any country that had a decent heritage listing system this would be listed and meet WP:GEOFEAT. It's in a country that doesn't, but WP:SYSTEMIC applies. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but WP:SYSTEMIC is an essay, while WP:GEOFEAT is a guideline. If it's in a country that doesn't fall under WP:GEOFEAT, then there's no need for cherry-picking. That said, I'm not "anti-essay," but using one to justify a guideline seems a bit off to me. Koshuri ^(グ) 15:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Koshuri Sultan:. You are mistaken. I said that a lot of the Arabic-language books and news articles mentioning Al-Aidarous gate merely contain passing mentions of the building. I did not say that all of them contained just passing mentions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draftify The two sources cited by the article are independent significant coverage. Arabic-language searches in Google Books and Google News show very large numbers of mentions in passing, most of which are irrelevant (see above), but I would guess that if an Arabic-speaker put the work in they could pull out more stuff that would add to the article and makes its notability indisputable.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:23, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly a historic fortification that satisfies WP:GEOFEAT.WP:COMMONSENSE and Wikipedia:Systemic bias clearly come into play here. Yemen, it appears, does not have a register of historic buildings website in English (or perhaps any other language), but this 'gate' would clearly be on it. Clearly a case where Wikipedia:Ignore all rules is appropriate. Djflem (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Necrothesp and Djflem (as article creator) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 12:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment according to Archnet the gateway is mentioned in the book "The Architecture of Yemen: From Yafi to Hadramut. London: Laurence King Publishing, 2007." by Salma Samar Damluji so it clearly is notable 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 14:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: No indication of notability so far. Moving to draftspace would be ideal as the sourcing clearly needs more work. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]