Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August 2010 West Bank shooting

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. NOTNEWS is still a policy and it still trumps N Spartaz Humbug! 04:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

August 2010 West Bank shooting

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WP:NOTNEWS - this is an "article" on a single news story, a news story that admittedly is covered by many news sources, but that is true of nearly every news story. WP:NOT is clear that such news stories do not merit articles. Nableezy - 01:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. "anti-Palestinian" is an odd objection to an article that cites the Palestinian Authority's condemnation of an attack by Hamas and concerns that the peace process may be derailed by a Hamas-sponsored attack. Hamas, whatever else it is, is not co-extensive with the Palestinian people.AMuseo (talk) 16:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is the content of the creator's first edit: The 31 August 2010 West Bank shooting was a Palestinian terror attack near Kiryat Arba, in which four Israelis, one of the them a pregnamt women, were shot multiple times until they died.[1] Quack quack. Carrite (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Calling this article "anti-Palestinian" implies collective guilt and is morally wrong. - BorisG (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as Wikipedia is not the news. There is no indication of lasting impact. Armbrust Talk Contribs 17:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep per Shuki and BorisG. Notable as part of ongoing event/phenomenon, Hamas claims responsibility, deadliest attack against Israelis in 2 years. Significant media coverage of event as attempt to derail peace talks. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is a well-sourced article on a notable terror attack. Wikipedia has space to retain articles on notable events, in addition to articles on the broader conflicts of which they are part. As long as such articles are NPOV, I see no reason to delete. In fact, I wish we had many more individual articles on particular battles, diplomatic incidents, and attacks on civilians, because these enable readers to click and learn about a specific incident in depth, and adds a great deal to what we can provide in articles on the larger struggle of which they are part. See, for example, my recent article on St. Ninian's Church, Tynet. It is a small example in the context of the larger topic of Clandestine churches, an article on which I recently did a major rewrite and expansion. The article on clandestine churches must, in turn, be placed in the context of the Reformation. Several users argue for putting all terror attacks in a region into one large article. Following this logic, we could eliminate my articles on St. Ninian's Church, Tynet and Clandestine churches and redirect everything to Reformation. But, can we understand the Reformation without understanding the phenomenon of clandestine churches? or understand what a clandestine church was without a small article showing us how Catholic churches had to be camouflaged to look like barns? Similarly, can we understand the Arab-Israeli conflict, or the Islamist movement without understanding that it includes attacks on civilians? And can we understand the nature of those attacks without small articles that explain in some detail the nature of particular attacks? I argue that we cannot. And that the great strength of Wikipedia is that it enables us to take our level of understanding both up to the mega level of the Reformation, Islamism, or Hamas and also to turn up the magnification for a close look at St. Ninian's Church, Tynet and a shooting of Israeli civilians as they drove along a road. This is Wikipedia's great strength. It lets us do something that is difficult to do in a book or in any other literary or reference form. Let us not destroy this strength by deleting good articles on sub-topics.AMuseo (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that construction started 2 days after this terror incident on sites across the West Bank in violation of the freeze as a direct, political response to this shooting attack.AMuseo (talk) 19:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Other articles do exist" is not a solid argument for deletion neither the name calling (POV mobs). FYI: The result of the AfD for Tapuah junction stabbing resulted in no consensus so it defaulted to keep. --Jmundo (talk) 02:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Otherstuff" does not apply. The articles mentioned above are identical to this article. It is the same type of event, probably more important and notable considering the loads of attention it has received and recognition by the PA, Hamas, Israel, USA, etc. It is not a token event in an otherwise peaceful Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.