Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bookland

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. The original nominator added substantial content to the article, including references. For the most part, the consensus is split between keeping the article or merging it to European Article Number. TreasuryTag's points concerning need for more independent and reliable sources to establish notability are noted, and it appears that other editors are locating those. Mandsford 00:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bookland

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prod converted to AfD Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Prodded "Very few references and nothing to suggest notability as a topic" at 15:45, 31 August 2010 by User:TreasuryTag
The concept "Bookland" seems to be significant in giving ISBN numbers to books. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to lack of references and lack of notability. As a "deprecated" (=defunct) technicality from 1980s barcode and ISBN allocation, I'm not sure that any notability is likely to be established any time soon, either! ╟─Treasury Tag►cabinet─╢ 18:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge important content to European Article Number. it was on the back cover of nearly every book published in the US from the 90's. I had no idea what the term was (i had guessed it was a bookstore that was a test example or a big chain, now defunct). its notable, but i dont think it deserves an article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It may be not assigned to new books any more, but countless books in libraries and private possession have Bookland nation codes in their ISBN numbers. It is notable. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"It is notable," isn't actually very clear. Please provide a specific explanation of how the article passes Wikipedia's notability guidelines. ╟─Treasury Tag►ballotbox─╢ 11:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote above, there are countless thousands and likely more books about with Bookland nation codes in their ISBN numbers. It looks plenty notable to me. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you wrote above, because, erm, you wrote it above. However, a topic does not become notable because "it looks plenty notable to [you]" as you must surely know? Now what I'd like you to do is to read our General Notability Guideline (it's only one sentence long, and I'll be glad to copy-paste it onto your talkpage if that would make things easier) and then list the "significant coverage in reliable sources" which would support your claim that the article is notable. Thanks in advance. ╟─Treasury Tag►prorogation─╢ 17:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For proof, see for example http://www.mecsw.com/specs/bookland.html . Bookland is a significant part of ISBN codes, and ISBN codes are certainly notable. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How can you find this complicated? To be notable, a subject must have "received significant coverage in reliable sources" – unless you can clearly identify some of these reliable sources, then you cannot continue to insist that the page is notable. For the avoidance of doubt, you have to provide a list of reference books and/or websites which cover Bookland as a concept. I should also point out that just because ISBNs are notable does not automatically make every topic associated with them notable (see WP:INHERITED). ╟─Treasury Tag►high seas─╢ 11:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - the main points to European Article Number as per User Mercurywoodrose, appears of little individual note for a stand alone article. Off2riorob (talk) 11:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote above, this "Bookland" is a significant topic to librarians. (And "Musicland", if the library stores sheet music.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you wrote above. You wrote it above. It's still bollocks, though. For a topic to be considered notable, you have to provide multiple reliable sources discussing it. Have you got any? ╟─Treasury Tag►Woolsack─╢ 08:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/international/html/usm7.htm , for example. Or this Google search. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And sources from the ISBN organisation itself are "independent of the subject" how, precisely? ╟─Treasury Tag►quaestor─╢ 12:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The ISBN committee chose the ISBN code including "Bookland": they are surely the authority here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Therefore any sources from the ISBN organisation are not the "independent reliable sources" which are required under Wikipedia's notability guideline. ╟─Treasury Tag►Not-content─╢ 19:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unlike most fictional nations, this one was widely recognized to exist in the real world for decades in a narrow but significant context, a concept unusual and interesting enough to be noted in third-party publications (e.g. [1], [2], [3]; snippet views here). - Morinao (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.