Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gan mao ling

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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article has been unsourced since Jan 2007. Notability of topic is in question. Coin945 (talk) 05:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep, the nominator does not propose a valid WP:DEL-REASON. The nominator does not say which notability guideline this article fails to meet. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a clear violation of our rule against dictionary definitions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete verifiability says that articles need to have sources. That is clearly not met here. A collection of herbs that is used for medicinal purposes is clearly something that we could have an article on. However we would need sources to show that it is notable. It is the burden of those who want to keep the article to produce such sources. The search I conducted came up with an Amazon add for the product, and a very brief mention in a very comprehensive dictionary of Chinese herbs. This is not at all the level of sourcing we would need to show that a thing is a notable product.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete even if the product is real, why is it notable?--Rusf10 (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, sources added. SailingInABathTub (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for sourcing the article, SailingInABathTub (talk · contribs)! Cunard (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Somerville, Robert, ed. (1997). The Drug & Natural Medicine Advisor: The Complete Guide to Alternative & Conventional Medications. Alexandria, Virginia: Time Life. p. 358. ISBN 0-7835-4938-5. Retrieved 2021-04-17.

     The encyclopedia has an entry about Gan Mao Ling.

     The book notes that Gan Mao Ling is also sold as "Su Xiao Ganmaoling" and that its English name is "Common Cold Effective Remedy". The book notes, "The Chinese patent formula Gan Mao Ling is used to treat the common cold or the flu if it is accompanied by any of the following symptoms: [list of symptoms]. One of the actions of this formula is to help the body rid itslef of the cold or influenza virus." The book notes that no side effects are expected. The book notes that ingredients are: ilex, evodia, dyer's woad root, chrysanthemum, vitex, honeysuckle flower, and menthol crystal.

  2. Elias, Jason; Ketcham, Katherine (1998). The Five Elements of Self-Healing: Using Chinese Medicine for Maximum Immunity, Wellness, and Health. New York: Harmony Books. p. 191. ISBN 0-517-70487-0. Retrieved 2021-04-17.

     The book notes: "Gan Mao Ling Pian ("Common Cold Effective Tablets"): Herbalists in China and throughout the world rely on this formula to prevent or combat the symptoms of colds and flus. The Emperor herb in this formula is isatis, which is famous for its antiviral qualities. Attending herbs (ilex root, evodia fruit, chrysanthemum flower, vitext fruit, lonicera flower, and menthol crystals) help the immune system neutralize and eliminate the invading pathogens. They relieve accute flare-ups of Wind/Cold (chills, aching muscles, nasal congestion, stuffy nose, sore throat, stiff neck and shoulders) and/or Wind/Heat (fever, swollen glands, headache). Take four pills three times daily, and continue until the symptoms have abated."

  3. Bruning, Nancy Pauline (1998). Natural Medicine for Colds and Flu. New York: Dell Publishing. p. 134. ISBN 978-0-440-22523-2. Retrieved 2021-04-17.

     The book notes on page 134: "Two increasingly popular patented Chinese herb formulations are Gan Mao Ling and Yin Chiao San. They come in easy-to-take tablets and are sold in Chinese pharmacies and herb shops as well as health food stores. Gan Mao Ling generally is thought to be more appropriate for colds and contains herbs reputed to be antiviral and antibiotic. Many practitioners recommend this formula during a cold to ease symptoms and during the cold season as a preventive."

  4. Neustaedter, Randall (2005). Flu: Alternative Treatments and Prevention. Berkeley, California: North Atlantic Books. pp. 44–45. ISBN 1-55643-568-1. Retrieved 2021-04-17.

     The book notes on page 44: "Gan Mao Ling, a remedy that was developed in the last fifty years, is another well-known formula for flu characterized by sinus congestion, yellow nasal discharge, chills, stiff neck and back, sore throat, and swollen glands. The primary ingredients are Ilex pubescens and Evodia rutecarpa, both of which have strong antiviral effects." The book notes Gan Mao Ling ingredients on page 42: Ilex (antirval), Evodia (antiviral), Chrysanthemum ("disperses Wind and clears Heat"), Vitex ("disperses Wind and clears Heat"), Isatis ("drains Heat"), and Lonicera ("clears Wind and Heat").

  5. Williams, J. E. (2002). Viral Immunity: A 10-Step Plan to Enhance Your Immunity against Viral Disease Using Natural Medicines. Charlottesville, Virginia: Hampton Roads Publishing Company. p. 37. ISBN 1-57174-265-4. Retrieved 2021-04-17.

     The book notes: "In fact, there are many excellent traditional Chinese remedies for cold symptoms. One of the most widely used is gan mao ling. It comes in tablets, tea, and instant granules (called ganmao tuire chongji or gan mao char). These remedies can be easily obtained in any Chinese herb store, from most acupuncturists' offices, or by mail from one of the resources listed in appendix E. Their use is explained in detail in part 2."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Gan Mao Ling to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources found by Cunard ! VocalIndia (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but the sources in this discussion aren't in the article - without improvement, the article isn't worth keeping... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete It depends on how we want to classify this article. If this is considered an article about a medicinal herb, I am not really sure that the sources pass WP:MEDRS. If we're writing about this as a historical or cultural or botanical perspective, then those sources might be acceptable. Hyperion35 (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#Biomedical v. general information says, "Biomedical information requires sources complying with this guideline, whereas general information in the same article may not." As long as the article is edited to have all biomedical information removed or sourced to MEDRS-compliant sources, then the general information can remain after being sourced to RS sources. The article can be retained with only general information even if none of the sources pass WP:MEDRS. Cunard (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.