Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jill Cruwys

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The result was keep‎. LFaraone 06:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jill Cruwys (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Can't find non-database sources. JayCubby 21:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Cricket, and England. JayCubby 21:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: She is mentioned in several contemporary-ish cricket articles and I also found one historical source where she has a small write-up along with her teammates.

I don't have access to any paywalled newspaper archive sites, but if someone who does is willing to look, I think it's possible she could meet sports notability criteria with additional sources from the 1960s-1970s. InsomniaOpossum (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I searched newspapers.com. Almost all mentions are routine match coverage. The two exceptions are [1] and [2]. Unsure if that's enough for notability. Jfire (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  1's text of relevance (it's sort of paywalled, but somewhat bypassable)

  ... The 31-year-old cricketer is useful with the bat and is reputedly the finest fielder England women's cricket has produced. ...

  2 is passing:

  Above, England captain Rachael Heyhoe (left) and June Moorehouse play guitars and are backed on vocals by (left to right) Heather Dewdney, Jill Cruwys and Lesley Clifford, at Melbourne airport in January 1969.

  3 is merely a description of when she played:

  She made five appearances in the competition. She played ten matches for Kent in five years, but made 46 appearances for England across a career spanning eight seasons. She made her test debut in 1969 when she was a member of the England team that played against New Zealand in Wellington.

  4 is a 404, but I found this, which is a database.

  5 is quite passing.

  JILL CRUWYS (26). West Midlands. Played in three Tests. Toured Australia- New Zealand 1966. Middle order bat, fast bowler County hockey player for Kent 1966-9, Worcestershire 1969-70. A physical education teacher. hobbies music and badminton. Home town, Wickham.

  JayCubby 19:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In addition to the sources above, I found this on Proquest, and she seems to get a couple of mentions in the book Ladies and Lords : A History of Women's Cricket in Britain (I couldn't get access to more than a snippet so I'm not sure whether it's enough to qualify as SIGCOV). Together I think the sources presented are just about enough to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. Alternatively, redirect to List of England women Test cricketers as an ATD. MCE89 (talk) 19:10, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have added sources and information to the article. I believe that she meets WP:SPORTBASIC. The coverage of matches is not all WP:ROUTINE, especially when she was described as "reputedly the finest fielder England women's cricket has produced", and a couple of match reports call out her fielding. Unfortunately, she played in an age when it was acceptable to describe her pig-tails and make jokes about maiden overs, wearing shorts and the men glancing at legs, so there is less serious coverage than there might be. Still, there are several sources which include biographical detail. I disagree that source 5 above is "passing" - it gives lots of biographical detail as well as her cricket roles. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:43, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Taking all the coverage in totality, I agree this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC, and the fact that she is mentioned in a piece from 2023 could also suggest some lasting impact. InsomniaOpossum (talk) 13:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She played in the first women's cricket world cup final and at Test level. Yes the sources are not full on biographies of her but she played in a team sport meaning unless you are the star player then coverage is likely to be less focussed or voluminous, she played at a time when women's cricket and women's sport in general received scant coverage and her career was well before the internet days meaning coverage is harder to access. The sources provided adequately demonstrate her notable status and indicate there is/was probably more coverage of her in print media during her career which unfortunately we cannot get to at this time. Lookslikely (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Per comments, although the WP:RS citations could be stronger. Go4thProsper (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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