Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joey Concepcion

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The result was Delete and redirect to Armageddon (Swedish band). Hut 8.5 20:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:N and GNG. Member of a band that is barely notable itself. 'blabbermouth.net' sources mention his name but don't discuss him in any detail. Other source is a metal wiki. Should be redirected to band's page. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 22:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete/Redirect I completely agree. The page should either be redirected back to the band or be deleted as notability is lacking. Handoto (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand, there are loads of sources and references. They explain in detail. Please do not delete page. I can help put more and better sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredderx777 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the sources are from a single website, and there is only one thing actually referenced thus far. Maybe moving this to a draft space would be reasonable but only if there is a chance of notability here. Handoto (talk) 00:29, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried my best to improve the references, theres plenty more still out there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredderx777 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to Armageddon (Swedish band). --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Antony_Hämäläinen this member of Armageddon has a page and there are even less references, I don't understand. Theres alot of content and references on Joey Concepcion. Please keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredderx777 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The argument that "Other similar stuff exists in Wikipedia!" is not acceptable. In any case, that article too should be audited. -The Gnome (talk) 11:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not a single reliable source mentioned. Shredderx777, you should take a look at WP:GNG, WP:BAND and WP:RS. Other wikis aren't reliable sources, blogsites aren't reliable sources, interviews of a subject can't be used to bolster that subject's notability. Any actual press sources giving this fellow the "significant coverage" the GNG requires? I don't see any. Nha Trang ^Allons! 17:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Armageddon (Swedish band). Should any decent coverage emerge I would suggest adding to the band article until there's enough sourceable contant to justify a standalone article. --Michig (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Armageddon (Swedish band), not independently notable. --Bejnar (talk) 04:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Look at all these valid sources listed

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http://xsrock.com/sanctuary-add-second-guitarist-joey-concepcion-line-us-tour-iced-earth/

many many references! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredderx777 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Struck 2nd !vote by same editor. -The Gnome (talk) 10:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly all not reliable sources or not independent of the subject. --Michig (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you clicked on them and read them? Yes they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredderx777 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About those sources, Shredderx777: This is by a heavy metal encyclopaedia edited by fans; this is a presentation of the guitarist as a music teacher in a music-teaching website (and we won't even search for hype); this is just the Jackson Guitars official website presenting yet another musician who uses their products; this one is a fan's blog and you know how Wikipedia feels about blogs; maybe this one, a Blabbermouth.net article, could pass as a reliable source, yet the text's more about the Sanctuary band than about the guitarist. So, we only have this interview to a hard rock site. Your enthusiasm for the subject is noted and honestly saluted but the sources fall very far below the threshold I'm afraid. -The Gnome (talk) 10:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Shredderx777, your second "keep" vote above should be struck, you are only allowed to vote once. Bravewords and Lady Obscure are blogs, so they are not reliable. Nor is Metal Archives, because it is user-generated content. Conception works for Rock House, and publicises Jackson Guitars, so those sources are not independent. Richard3120 (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails WP:NMUSICIAN. If there's any material to be salvaged, Merge it into the band article and place a Redirect on this one. There seems to be some problem with the notion of independent notability in this discussion. Let's just hope WP:TOOSOON, then. -The Gnome (talk) 10:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Redirect to Armageddon (Swedish band), where his limited notability seems to be.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Peacock language in bio reeks of self-promotion. References are just clutter from unreliable sources, as pointed out above. Blabbermouth.net in particular pops up in a lot of Afd nominations, as they are usually just press releases or self-submitted news. Redirect would be fine I suppose. ShelbyMarion (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete after reading the first sentence in the bio, and looking at the sources. Fails WP:GNG Not voting for redirect because I'm not sure Armageddon (Swedish band) is notable either. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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