Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spenser Olson

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:MUSIC with very limited secondary coverage. Please note MTV.com allows registered users and artists to create their own bio page and is not necessarily an indication of notability. Blackguard 21:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I put a link on the article from a notable songwriter and artist Instagram who posted about his album release. Soworship (talk) 21:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added an instagram post about his release from a worship leader at my church, who was also a contestant on American Idol Season 13. Sharethemessage (talk) 22:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The worship leader having been on American Idol is irrelevant to this article, as notability is not inherited(and that's assuming they're notable). 331dot (talk) 22:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. My google searches turned up little beyond this person's social media accounts. No independent sources have been offered; the ones that have been are MTV(as stated by nominator), a blog post from this person's mom, and the iTunes listings of their music. I haven't yet seen how this musician meets notability guidelines. 331dot (talk) 22:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is still other people mentioning Spenser with their own opinion. Soworship (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can post an opinion about anyone else on the Internet. We deal in what is notable and can be supported. I have asked you specifically which notability criteria for musicians this person meets and haven't really gotten an answer. 331dot (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He meets the first criteria. I just added an article I found about him in a notable talent competition (IMTA) he competed in and made it to the finals. It talks a lot about him, and I added a paragraph to the article explaining his time there from research I did. I hope this solves our problems with this article. Thank you! Soworship (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In my opinion, now that the article has the reference from that Casting Hub/IMTA article, it makes him notable enough. Because he does also have social media post about his album release from a notable artist/songwriter. The blog from his mom isn't perfect but it adds a touch more credit to the article as well. I think these three sources make him notable enough to keep. On the other hand, this article does seem to have some good information and is encyclopedic. 99.9.8.224 (talk) 04:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC) — 99.9.8.224 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Please review what independent reliable sources are- the sources given are not that and as such are not acceptable. "Having good information" is not sufficient for an article without such sources. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just rewrote the bio using the MTV bio and one on his website as a reference. No more copyright issues. Thanks. Soworship (talk) 04:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While you removed some of it, what remains is still lifted from MTV. It needs to be completely rewritten in your own words. You also don't seem to be understanding what independent reliable sources are, which are things like news stories or coverage that is not associated with this person in any way. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: as per nom. No third-party references, looks like self-promotion, and google search doesn't turn up anything else to demonstrate notability. Melcous (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does the IMTA article not qualify as a reliable source? Soworship (talk) 19:48, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is or not, it isn't enough to sustain this article. In most cases, multiple sources are needed, or at least one that supports notability. All that piece stated was that he showed up at their event, whose notability itself seems questionable. 331dot (talk) 23:53, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No independent, third party sources. Note to Soworship re: THe Casting Hub/IMTA article. It is not a third party source. That's the problem. It is simply the organization's newsletter reporting about an event it staged for it's members, of which this subject is one. ShelbyMarion (talk) 22:05, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as you know there's certainly concerns when the best sources listed are simply her own album listings and similar; none of the information even actually comes close to forming substance. SwisterTwister talk 00:46, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.