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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG, and who has not played in a fully pro league. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 16:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL. He has yet to play in a professional league. Tooga - BØRK! 18:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep - His goal in Europa league already makes him notable. He played in Superettan, I want proof that it isn't a fully professional league. Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues - This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it. I don't think this page is reliable. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Btw Google gives 163,000 results. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The burden of proof is on your side. Notability requires verifiable evidence, and in the absence of verifiable evidence that the Superetten is fully-pro, we cannot assume that he is notable on the grounds of having played there. The fact that the early rounds of UEFA club competitions do not confer notability inherently is a well established consensus. If you, or anyone else, can provide significant coverage in reliable sources, I'd be happy to withdraw the nomination, but in the absence thereof he fails every relevant notability guideline. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep There are enough citations for a keep. Nipsonanomhmata (Talk) 15:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- There may be a fair number of citations, but none of them confer notability. The three external links are all database entries which are explicitly excluded under WP:NSPORT, one of the inline citations is a dead-link and therefore irrelevant, and the other two are routine sports journalism. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Õhtuleht is a major newspaper in Estonia, so it confers notability. I also corrected second ref. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- First of all, thank you for the correction. Second, one source alone is never grounds for notability. If you can provide a few more instances of similar coverage, from other reliable sources, I'd be inclined to say he does meet GNG, but for now the one source is insufficient. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Õhtuleht is a major newspaper in Estonia, so it confers notability. I also corrected second ref. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as per nomination. The citations on the page fail WP:NTEMP. --Jimbo[online] 01:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment how can you be 100% sure, that he haven't played in a fully pro league? Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not, but it doesn't matter. As I stated above, notability requires verifiable evidence. There is no verifiable evidence that he has played in a fully-pro league, and therefore not notable on those grounds. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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