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Category:Aswad songs

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The result of the discussion was: rename (C2B/D), original objector at CFDS has de facto withdrawn objection here - The Bushranger One ping only 22:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. An opposed speedy. The article is at Aswad (band). Standard practice is to use the same name of the band in categories for songs or albums. Adopting this general practice avoids having to debate each of the hundreds of cases individually to determine if the category is sufficiently unambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination
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Category:Knights of the Order of Ojaswi Rajanya

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per http://www.royalark.net/Nepal/orders.htm, there is only one grade in the order: member. DrKiernan (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bus trip songs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete Impossible to define clearly and objectively. Any song that is sufficiently simple and sufficiently well-known by the specific group inside a specific bus can become a bus trip song. Pichpich (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, while there are certainly a few songs that are widely recognized as archetypal "bus trip songs", the nominator is entirely correct that many songs can be one — I can personally vouch for having been on bus trips where the songs included "American Pie" (albeit just a constant repetition of the chorus rather than the whole song), "Me and Julio Down By the Schoolyard" and "Mony Mony" (complete with the, er, mofo parts), but I'd hardly suggest that any of them should be categorized as such. A bus trip might certainly be a venue where a group can have a mass singalong, but that doesn't constitute a defining characteristic of the songs that the passengers happen to choose. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Although the "wheels on the bus" should count for such.Benkenobi18 (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:20th century children's songs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete We don't categorize songs by century so it's probably unwise to categorize children's songs that way. Moreover, many children's songs are atemporal so this sort of classification is less meaningful. Pichpich (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who are hopped up on Mountain Dew

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete (CSD G7: creator consents to deletion). -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete user category that is not useful for collaboration. Pichpich (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category creator's reply: I support this proposal. I am the only member of the category. I just thought I would toss it out there to see if there was anyone else that enjoys being hopped up on Mountain Dew as much as I do. That is all. Reverend Lee (talk • contribs) 16:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War

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The result of the discussion was: all renamed variously. The Bushranger One ping only 22:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For convenience, I have placed in this section all nominations related to the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War. I chose to nominate each category separately because the reasoning in each case is slightly different and in order to allow any relevant campaign-specific information to be noted and considered. -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:14, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I mostly agree, except as noted below. At the least get rid of all the "Battles of/Battles of the". Add (American Civil War) or similar where appropriate to address the objections of 70.24.251.208. Mojoworker (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate, I prefer the (American Civil War) suffix rather than (American Civil War campaign) since the word "campaign" is redundant as pretty much synonymous with Operation/Expedition, etc. As for deletion of single item categories, I'm OK with that. As someone mentioned in a previous deletion discussion, such battles are already adequately interpreted though the campaignbox and a single item category really adds nothing. Mojoworker (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That would be consistent with the outcome of this recent discussion, which resulted in Category:Mobile Campaign (American Civil War). -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mostly support all but in most cases "American Civil War" needs to appear, in order to make it clear what the category is about. I do not know enough of the subject to be sure whether this applies in all cases. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Missouri of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Set categories might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of these campaigns. There do not, however, and so these categories should be converted to topic categories. The proposed changes not only shortens the titles considerably, but also makes them a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations to Control Missouri' and 'Operations in Northeast Missouri' are the names used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations Against the Sioux in Dakota Territory (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:13, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations Against the Sioux in North Dakota' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations to Blockade the Texas Coast' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Marmaduke's Expeditions into Missouri
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The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Set categories might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of Marmaduke's Expeditions. There do not, however, and so these categories should be converted into topic categories. The proposed changes not only shorten the titles considerably but also make them a more natural fit within the structures of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War and Category:Expeditions of the American Civil War.
'Marmaduke's First Expedition into Missouri' and 'Marmaduke's Second Expedition into Missouri' are the names used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission. -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Advance on Little Rock of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Advance on Little Rock' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). In the event that the proposed title is deemed to be ambiguous, alternatives would be Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War), Category:Advance on Little Rock (military campaign) and Category:Advance on Little Rock (American Civil War campaign). -- Black Falcon (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations to Control Indian Territory of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations to Control Indian Territory' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). In the event that the proposed title is deemed to be ambiguous, a good alternative would be Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War), Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (military campaign) or Category:Operations to Control Indian Territory (American Civil War campaign). -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations North of Boston Mountains of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations North of Boston Mountains' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC). -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations in the Indian Territory of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 22:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
The article about the campaign is titled Trail of Blood on Ice, and the category should follow it. I am nominating this here rather than that WP:CFD/S because criterion C2.D does not apply to set categories and converting a set category into a set category is not a minor change. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Confederate Occupation of New Mexico of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Confederate Occupation of New Mexico. The Bushranger One ping only 22:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I could not find an indication that these battles constitute a distinct campaign of the American Civil War. The list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission makes no mention of a campaign of this or a similar name. It appears that this category groups Civil War engagements that took place in Arizona or New Mexico and is, therefore, redundant to Category:Arizona in the American Civil War and Category:New Mexico in the American Civil War. All 10 member articles already are in one of these categories, so I suggest liquidating this category by merging its contents to Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations Against Galveston of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations Against Galveston (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations Against Galveston' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Galveston. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Texas in the American Civil War; and two 1863-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations to Suppress the Sioux Uprising of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Battles of the Dakota War of 1862. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The 'Sioux Uprising', or the 'Operations to Suppress the Sioux Uprising', refers to the Dakota War of 1862. The current title and scope is problematic for three reasons: (1) it follows a naming standard that is being replaced; (2) it does not reflect the name of the war used by the article and main category; and (3) six of the seven articles in this category also are in Category:Dakota War of 1862, resulting in unnecessary overlap.
My preference is for Option B. We already deviate from CWSAC's naming scheme in some cases, such as Category:Vicksburg Campaign, so I do not consider that to be a significant drawback. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:42, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Cotton Plant. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Arkansas in the American Civil War; and two 1862-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battles of the Operations Near the White River of the American Civil War
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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Operations on the White River (American Civil War). The Bushranger One ping only 22:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A set category might be useful if there existed categories about other aspects of this campaign. There do not, however, and so this category should be made a topic category. The proposed change not only shortens the title considerably, but also makes it a more natural fit within the structure of Category:Campaigns of the American Civil War.
'Operations on the White River' is the name used in the list of American Civil War campaigns published by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission (CWSAC).
A better option might be to simply delete this single-member category, since CWSAC lists only one major engagement for the campaign: the Battle of Saint Charles. Upmerging would not be required since the sole member article already appears in: Category:Battles of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War; Category:Arkansas in the American Civil War; and two 1862-related categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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