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September 1

Ancient

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. Timrollpickering 21:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In all cases, I'm proposing that we rename these categories to use "ancient" instead of "Ancient". Also, "Category:Hyksos Cities in Ancient Egypt" should become "Category:Hyksos cities in ancient Egypt"; I can't see a reason to capitalise "Cities". This is building on past discussions of "Ancient Greek" categories (test nomination and further nomination), in which it was held that "ancient" is more appropriate than "Ancient" for categories referring to the culture in general. I've skipped a few "Ancient Greek" and one "Ancient Egyptian" categories that refer to the language, given the comments in the previous discussion about "Ancient Greek" being appropriate for the language. Nyttend (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support ancient Egypt and ancient Greece. However I am a bit hesitant about Ancient Rome: changing it to "ancient Rome" may suggest the ancient city of Rome, rather than the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Entering Heaven alive

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering 21:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seriously? This is way to ridiculous to be on Wikipedia regentspark (comment) 13:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I just fail to see User:RegentsPark's problem with the current name. For the moment, it matches the main article, and is neutral. Ascension has too specific a meaning (which why Mary has an "Assumption" in Catholicism), and is too closely associated with Christianity. Johnbod (talk) 01:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep unchanged as per Johnbod. Debresser (talk) 13:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge. 1 Thessalonians mentions the return of Christ and Christians being caught up to meet him in the air, but the book is not just about that. Muslims claim that Mohammed entered heaven from the Dome of the Rock, but that was the venue for this (and perhaps only in dream). The Dome did not enter heaven itself. However, Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus all ascended to heaven alive. "Translation" refers to a saint's death. I will not enter into discussion of Mary save to say that I do not believe the Catholic teaching on this, any more than I believe Muslim or Greek teachings on this. However the beliefs exist and many hold (or held) them, so that the category must exist. I would not oppose a rename, but any name chosen may adversely affect the breadth of the category, due to the nuances in the concept. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the RM has been closed as don't move. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ottoman period in Syria

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering 11:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Ottoman Syria. Moreover, the current category name wrongly suggests that the category is limited to the area of the current republic of Syria while in fact the Ottoman province of Syria is intended as the scope of the category - covering the entire Levant. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the category was originally named Category:Ottoman Syria and merely by accident included in a broader rename nomination to "period in". Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also for several other categories - the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, the Mount Lebanon Mutasarrifate, etc.GreyShark (dibra) 09:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Districts of Hertfordshire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 18#Category:Districts of Hertfordshire

Category:Songs written by Symbolyc One (S1)

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D. Timrollpickering 11:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2D. Richhoncho (talk) 12:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tyrees A. Lamptey

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single article category -- for an article at AFD. Calton | Talk 10:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gosanke

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, this extra category layer (with only 3 subcats) is unhelpful for easy navigation, also considering that the parent Category:Tokugawa clan has very few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People born at sea

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering 21:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, this concerns an interesting detail of a biography but not a defining characteristic. A list is more suitable in cases like this and in fact there is already a List of people born at sea. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mito branch

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Mito-Tokugawa family. Timrollpickering 21:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 水戸徳川氏, or Mito-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Mito-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 00:38, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Owari branch

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Owari-Tokugawa family. Timrollpickering 21:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 尾張徳川氏, or Owari-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Owari-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 00:38, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: merge. WP:SMALLCAT concern not properly addressed. ℯxplicit 04:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Basketball at the European Youth Olympic Days

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Basketball at the European Youth Summer Olympic Festival. ℯxplicit 04:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge into Category:Basketball at the European Youth Summer Olympic Festival Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if I understand correctly, European Youth Olympic Days was the old name of the event and European Youth Summer Olympic Festival is the new name. @Pelmeen10: as the nominator you should provide a clear rationale for your proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. But you're correct. European Youth Olympic Days are now called European Youth Olympic Festival. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sugar substitutes

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ℯxplicit 04:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is a fundamental problem here. The article on sugar substitutes uses that name even though many sweeteners are high in sugar and thus are replacing just "table sugar", while others are 0 calorie sweeteners or very low in sugar and some are naturally occurring while others are artificial. Syrup is not even mentioned in the main article, but yet it is a sweetener. Bod (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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