Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 23

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December 23

Category:Hardcore music genres

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Category:First Ladies of the United States

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 10:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:First Ladies of the United States to Category:First ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Acting First Ladies of the United States to Category:Acting first ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Fictional First Ladies of the United States to Category:Fictional first ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Homes of First Ladies of the United States to Category:Homes of first ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:First Ladies of the United States navigational boxes to Category:First ladies of the United States navigational boxes
Propose renaming Category:Books written by First Ladies of the United States to Category:Books written by first ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Cultural depictions of First Ladies of the United States to Category:Cultural depictions of first ladies of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Second Spouses of the United States to Category:Second spouses of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Second Gentlemen of the United States to Category:Second gentlemen of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Second Ladies of the United States to Category:Second ladies of the United States

Nominator's rationale: Consistent with plural rendering in related articles (e.g. List of first ladies of the United States and Second ladies and gentlemen of the United States), and conforms to MOS:JOBTITLES. Obviously there are many more first/second ladies/gentlemen categories out there, but I wanted to verify consensus for these ones first, then nominate the rest for speedy rename afterwards. Woko Sapien (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, looks like a straightforward application of MOS. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Populated places under jurisdiction of Moscow

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 10:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Populated places under jurisdiction of Moscow to Category:Populated places in Moscow (federal city)
Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns under jurisdiction of Moscow to Category:Cities and towns in Moscow (federal city)
Propose renaming Category:Rural localities under jurisdiction of Moscow to Category:Rural localities in Moscow (federal city)
Propose renaming Category:Urban-type settlements under jurisdiction of Moscow to Category:Urban-type settlements in Moscow (federal city)

Nominator's rationale: rename, current names deviate from what we usually have. These are populated places by federal subject (first level administrative division in Russia). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 09:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The parent hierarchy is just "Moscow" but I agree that some additional clarification is desirable for these categories, and I can't think of a better wording. – Fayenatic London 11:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support I can't think of a better wording either. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Architecture in the Ottoman Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 31#Category:Architecture in the Ottoman Empire

Category:Mayors by city in New Zealand

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 10:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Mayors by city in New Zealand to Category:Mayors by city or town in New Zealand

Nominator's rationale: More accurately reflects the category's contents. Many other NZ-specific categories are also named as by "city or town". Grutness...wha? 02:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be more precise to say mayors by municipality? But that applies to all countries of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Not really, because mayors of districts and regions are categorised separately. Also, the definition of municipality seems to vary from country to country, which could be a problem. Grutness...wha? 14:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks, I had not realized that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Ahem - regions don't have mayors (regional councils have a chairperson). Schwede 66 04:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1 Category:Mayors in New Zealand by city or town. *Alt2 Category:Mayors in New Zealand by municipality. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd oppose both those renames because all other countries use "Mayors by Bar in Foo" (e.g., Category:Mayors by city in Canada). Grutness...wha? 14:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FURTHER COMMENT: I notice the same "City=City or town" problem with several of the other by country parents (e.g., Category:Mayors by city in Australia is actually by city or town). Perhaps the whole tree needs a bit of a shake? Grutness...wha? 14:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, I do not have the impression that the NZ tree deliberately deviates from other countries. E.g. in Category:New Zealand people by occupation and city half of the subcats is "by city". Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a bit of a tricky one. It's true that some of the contents here are towns rather than cities, but that isn't a uniquely New Zealand problem as it's also true of a lot of sibling categories in Category:Mayors by city and country. To be fair, it's less likely that mayors of towns would be notable enough to warrant a dedicated "Mayors of [Specific Place]" for them than mayors of cities are, but it's not impossible, so some categories do actually exist for towns in more than just New Zealand. So I'm not opposed to this in principle, but in actual practice we should consider all of the categories in Category:Mayors by city and country rather than just this one alone. Bearcat (talk) 14:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 21:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 09:31, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.