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Category:Shooting civilians following mistaken identification

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 31#Category:Shooting civilians following mistaken identification

Category:Ambassadors of Algeria to Libya

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. As JPL pointed on out my talk page, the only person (Mohamed Larbi Zitout) in this category isn't an ambassador. They're a regular diplomat/civil servant. I've added them to Algerian expatriates in Libya, so there's no need to merge SMasonGarrison 22:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Association football families needing disambiguation

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Several other subcategories of Category:Association football families, such as Category:Ball family (association football), use the full (and in this case, British) name of the sport to disambiguate. Typically, the disambiguator for any family category is a noun describing the occupation generally, not a grouping of practitioners like "footballers." Mike Selinker (talk) 05:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • A couple more to add to this nomination:
If this goes through, of course. Mike Selinker (talk) 05:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brown family (bankers of Baltimore)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Brown family (banking). Unopposed. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't see any other categories of families named Brown in banking, and it should use the occupation name like Category:Stern family (banking). Mike Selinker (talk) 05:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral as category creator. When trying to come up with the title, I associated the family first with the city, but there were other Browns in Baltimiore so I added the bankers part. If banking alone is recognisable and precise enough then it should be fine. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Alltuni family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: only an eponymous page and one family member, which isn't helpful for navigation. Delete for now. SMasonGarrison 19:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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@Marcocapelle: Is that a keep !vote? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Category-Class United States articles of NA-importance

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All 171,000 pages (not articles) in this category all already a member of Category:Category-Class United States articles or Category:Category-Class United States pages on the one hand, and Category:NA-importance United States articles or Category:NA-importance United States pages on the other hand. Considering that all category-class pages are NA-importance by definition anyway, this means that we have three ways of expressing the same thing here, making this a superfluous combined category. Fram (talk) 10:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wives of Louis XII

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Thorough discussion; unlikely a WP:RELIST will help. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Very small category with no prospect of expansion in which all articles are already categorised within Category:Queens consort of France. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Three wives is a perfectly reasonable size for this type of category. Dimadick (talk) 10:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional gnomes

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gnomes in popular culture. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Are there non-fictional gnomes? Fram (talk) 08:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While I'm not sure we have the right names for the categories, separate categorization strikes me as more helpful than not. Thinking about navigating categories as a reader, I would find it more confusing than clarifying if I find articles about medieval folklore like the Dutch legends about Kabouter next to pop cultural creations like cereal mascots Snap, Crackle, and Pop. As for whether there's a distinction, while the borders can be fuzzy and are socially constructed, as with lots of things in humanities about stories of non-reality like mythology, pop mascots, literature, etc., it's not original to us as Wikipedians to note a distinction that society has made. (See for instance A Companion to Folklore (Blackwell Publishing, 2012) for discussion of both the sometimes-association and sometimes-differentiation in society between folklore and forms of fiction like literature). Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, this reminds me of the difference in fairytales between the oral tradition and ones that originated with named authors. For the authored ones, some are written for children, some to express feminism, some as adult horror stories etc etc etc. --Northernhenge (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional proposal: create Category:Legendary gnomes as also a subcategory of Category:Legendary creatures. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the comments by Marcocapelle and Hydrangeans?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fantasy video game characters by franchise

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The following category feels incredibly out-of-place given the fact that there currently no other categories for "Fantasy __ characters by franchise" other than this one, and the "Fantasy video game characters" itself only has only other category; making this category ultimately unhelpful. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Also to Category:Video game characters by franchise. An unnecessary intersection by genre and medium. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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