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Category:Fictional Greeks from the Ottoman Empire

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge. This category only has one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political organisations based in the Republic of Artsakh

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBTQ issues. Star Mississippi 02:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the recent renames following WP:CONSUB and WP:C2D per LGBTQ. This one is a user category, so I thought it would make sense to have a separate discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 13:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tourist attractions in Salem

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Tourist attractions in Salem


Category:Public holidays in the Republic of Artsakh

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, but move Artsakh Revival Day directly under Category:Culture of the Republic of Artsakh. Apart from this one article they are general Armenian public holidays. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nazis from outside Germany

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't tend to name categories by who is not in them. This is effectively Nazis by nationality, so we out to treat it that way Mason (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional giant planets

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: With only 2 planets so far, there does not appear to be a need for such overly-precise categorization. The idea of a "giant" planet seems to be an unclear and subjective metric as well. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Members of the Chamber of Representatives of Belgium

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. No consensus to merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Belgium has a bicameral legislature. These categories are intended for members of the Chamber of Representatives, the lower chamber. There are separate categories for members of the Senate, the upper chamber. Using the term "legislature" in the category makes it ambiguous.Obi2canibe (talk) 20:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge?
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How would that help overpopulation? We already have several hundred articles on English Wikipedia for Belgian MPs and this could potentially increase to more than 3,000 articles. Assuming an even distribution, that's 2,250 20th century members and 750 21st century members.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus. I am not seeing objections to the proposed rename, if there is no consensus to merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have picked an extreme example to illustrate your point but the fact is most MPs are only listed in a few categories and not over categorised. And you have ignored my comment from 17 September as to why its okay to have over categorisation in major countries like UK and Germany, but not smaller countries. If the categories are merged we will end up with a category that has several hundred articles immediately and that overpopulation will only continue to worsen.--Obi2canibe (talk) 15:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the State of Palestine

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep but purge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: My previous proposal to disambiguate was closed due to a lack of consensus, with some reasonable arguments referencing the millions of Palestinians in the diaspora who are not from the State of Palestine. Therefore, I propose a merge. No other country makes a distinction similar to that between Category:French people and Category:People from France. Sakakami (talk) 06:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If kept, purge? Still no consensus to keep or merge, however.
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Category:20th-century disestablishments in East Germany

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete all. Creation of redirects is left as an exercise for the reader (cc Smasongarrison :D). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, duplicate of Category:Disestablishments in East Germany by decade because the entire history of East Germany stayed within the 20th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am not seeing objections to deletion, but there is a good deal of discussion here. In other words: if you object to deletion (regardless of if you have already participated or not), please speak up :)
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I think leaving a redirect might save some headaches. But that's my only opinion. Mason (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:SpaceX astronauts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:SpaceX astronauts

Category:Naval mines by type

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't see why we need to isolate naval mines from the core category. This doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 03:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Naval mines of Finland

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category. Its currently isolated, and two of the child categories are underpopulated Category:Naval mines of Finland‎ (0) Category:Naval mines of the United Kingdom‎ (0) Mason (talk) 03:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Elite 11 participants

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a high school football competition. It is a non-defining characteristic User:Namiba 20:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - A list of participants on the main article (Elite 11) exists, making this a defining category. It being limited to high school players shouldn't be the only argument for deletion as it is a national competition by invite only. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Taking part in this competition is a minor part of any player's career. It would definitely not be suitable for an introduction and sources do not consistently refer to it. Per WP:NONDEF, "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject.

if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (regardless of whether it is currently mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining; if the characteristic falls within any of the forms of overcategorization mentioned on this page, it is probably not defining."--User:Namiba

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Former objects

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Would it be correct to call these "former objects"? After all, a mine being shut down doesn't make it disappear, and being smashed into a million pieces doesn't remove something from existence. I don't think this category makes that much sense, and is heavily overlapping either way, so it should be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
some of the items in former objects probably should not be there. a mine is not an object, its a geographical or even geological feature, not an object. its a structure of sorts. however, i still stand by this as my effort to create broader and broader categories up to the most basic categories on WP. maybe cull some categories out of it. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep The possible problems with the mine example aside, I agree with the nomination insofar as these here do not stop being objects as such, but they are no longer the type of object they once were. So the category makes sense in this regard. I can't think of a better title which describes this 100% accurately and remains concise at the same time, so I would tend to keep it as a helpful organizational tier as described by Fayenatic london. Category:People by former status likewise seems a good idea to have. Daranios (talk) 08:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Saint Paul Seminary School of Divinity alumni

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Saint Paul Seminary alumni as unopposed. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The seminary no longer uses the School of Divinity title in its name or branding and has not for the past several years.~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 19:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
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Category:Toxic enzymes

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Toxic enzymes