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Philadelphia Adult League Softball (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Promotional article for a local adult rec softball league fails WP:NORG. A quick source review:

• The organization's own websites and other WP:PRIMARYSOURCES like IRS filings: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5].
• Marketing pages for events/activities (no evidence of independence): [6], [7], [8], [9].
• A WP:TRIVIALMENTION that fails WP:SIGCOV: [10].
• Local news coverage that fails the test of WP:AUD: [11], [12], (these sources also appears to be based mostly on an interview with the league's founders and thus of questionable independence), [13] (based on a press release).
• Brief unbylined content in an African newspaper that reads like a press release.
• Non-independent content: promotional content from a league partner, a college magazine spotlighting a PALS member who is an alumna.

My before search did not turn up any other qualifying sources. Draftification was contested by the page creator, who may have a conflict of interest since the creator claims to be the one who took photos used of the league in the article ([14], [15], [16]), so here we are at AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Softball, and Pennsylvania. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The Philadelphia Inquirer and the PBS affiliate WHYY both qualify as non-trivial and significantly covered sources. User Dclemens1971 is making a lot of baseless accusations about an extremely inconsequential page I created. To suggest that any of this is "promotional" or at all below standard is to call into question the nature of page creation for almost anything not already conventionally known. I hope whoever is involved decides not to delete this harmless and informative page about a recreational softball league in the city of Philadelphia. Adamherp (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The Philadelphia Inquirer is a single paragraph. The WHYY source you flag is actually BillyPenn.com, a local "happenings" blog for Philadelphia affiliated with WHYY, which fails the test of WP:AUD under WP:NORG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah... a single paragraph from a notable source ("the biggest daily newspaper in any US state" as per the Audience test you've linked... which the Inquirer is in Pennsylvania) is still a citation from a notable source. It is most certainly not inconsequential as the entire purpose of the article is to list notable sports leagues. That is not trivial no matter how you slice it. Irrelevant given the breadth of other sources. As for the BillyPenn page you link, it directly says "Founded in 2014 as a startup, in 2019 we joined WHYY, the region’s NPR and PBS public media affiliate." You've simply made up that it is a "local happenings blog." And nothing about that suggests it fails the Audience test per notability regardless. If you knew what you were talking about in terms of Philadelphia, you would know that these outlets are per se regional given the vast suburban sprawl that is southeastern PA and southern NJ, no "Philadelphia" entity is local in that sense, given how regional networks work on the East Coast. You are just grasping for straws on this. Like, delete the page if you want, others seem to agree, but don't pretend to be doing it by the book. You got it in your head that I have a conflict of interest and am "promoting" something. You're wrong and for whatever reason decided to double and triple down. Adamherp (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Every city has numerous adult recreational sports leagues for a variety of sports – I play in a couple! These are not notable, and these sources are purely routine local interest and not substantive enough to establish notability for a generic local organization. My multisport leagues are even chapters of national organizations that put on national tournaments every year and likely have a lot more sources available, but I still wouldn't make an article for them. Reywas92^Talk 17:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Do those recreational leagues attach to a non-profit 501C(3) that organizes a program run in concert with the mayor of Freetown, Sierra Leone and the Sierra Leone Cricket Association...? Adamherp (talk) 22:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A recreational softball league is rarely notable and this one is no exception. Something like this is always going to get some routine coverage, but there is nothing extensive enough to warrant being kept. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:40, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete working with other organizations and government entities is not an indicator of notability. There is not enough in-depth reliable coverage to establish notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 02:40, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do not comment on these articles here. If you agree with the proposed deletion, you don't have to do anything. If you think the article merits keeping, the remove the {{prod}} template and make an effort to improve the article so that it clearly meets the notability and verifiability criteria.

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