Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kartiki Gonsalves (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator, Academy Award awarded. (non-admin closure) Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable film maker. Has helmed one documentary and most of the references are about the documentary itself and not of the person. Fails WP:N. Creator seems to be pushing to get this made, even after multiple deletions. Jupitus Smart 00:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and India. Jupitus Smart 00:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator - since it has won the oscar, it does not augur well for the encyclopedia to have her page plastered with the deletion discussion.Jupitus Smart 03:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Definitely has potential when more notable work comes out, but as of right now it is simply TOOSOON. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm replying in the hope that this will ping you, hope you'll look again at the article now that I've worked on it and reconsider. CT55555(talk) 04:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to the Elephant Whisperers film. I'd SALT, but she might be notable if anything happens with the film and more news stories happen. Oaktree b (talk) 03:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Giving you a ping to ask you to reconsider the article now that I've expanded it. CT55555(talk) 04:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep An Oscar nom is a sign of notability. The film is also released worldwide on Netflix and will likely gain traction after the Oscars, more so if it wins. Not a slam dunk, but just enough for a pass. Oaktree b (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. WP:DIRECTOR C3 The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. As the director, she played a major role. I think anything that is getting an Oscar nomination is significant. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews So we must assess if The Elephant Whisperers is been the subject of multiple reviews. The following sources, I think, confirm that it is:

1. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/entertainment/documentary-the-elephant-whisperers-set-to-release-on-december-8-451811
2. https://deadline.com/2022/12/the-elephant-whisperers-netflix-documentary-short-director-kartiki-gonsalves-interview-news-1235199935/ (includes interviews)
3. https://readysteadycut.com/2022/12/08/the-elephant-whisperers-review/
4. https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/the-elephant-whisperers-review-a-moving-love-story-about-the-power-of-community-11860861.html
5. https://www.leisurebyte.com/the-elephant-whisperers-review/

I don't know all the sources, and one is an interview, so that combined with the brevity of the article make me vote "weak" CT55555(talk) 03:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I have made some improvements to the article and I hope people who already !voted might reassess, it is now significantly more detailed CT55555(talk) 04:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  At time of nomination it was a 25 word article. It is now about 7x the length. CT55555(talk) 05:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the references are about the documentary itself. It has been nominated for best documentary short film - which does not impart any notability for the filmmaker herself. As per established precedents the bar for WP:DIRECTOR C3 The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work is set high and a I do not believe that the documentary she has produced meets the high standards envisaged in the criteria. Also I do not believe anything has changed since the last discussion, and I believe the repeated creation is being done with some ulterior PR motive. Best. Jupitus Smart 04:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your interpretation of the subject matter notability guideline, but I won't expand on that, because I think the guideline speaks for itself. Regarding the creator's motivation, I note they have a 10 year history of creating very many Indian film related articles. Please assume good faith. WP:AFG CT55555(talk) 04:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The Elephant Whisperers as an alternative to deletion, although the notability of the film is itself arguable as a nominated work but not an award winner or subject of significant coverage or indeed enduring impact. Agree WP:TOOSOON. A winner! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tamil Nadu-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - notable, well sourced, and please, an Oscar is no mean thing. She is an Oscar nominee, and definitely derserves an article here. The article is a worthy, short biographical account. Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable per CT55555 and Academy Award winner.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, Academy Award winner. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. At this point, I urge User:Jupitus Smart to withdraw the nomination, WP:SNOW etc. CT55555(talk) 02:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Well sourced and notable. No longer an Oscar nominee but a winner so I guess that should count. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 03:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable, good article. She's a Oscar winner. Is WP mad? Aarfrunzindin (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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